WWGOA LIVE! October 2018

All right here I am staring at my phone and my laptop and we are live as far as I can tell. So I am so sorry that we had technical issues but I don't know it's one of those days we did a live in here at one o'clock in the afternoon and had a few issues then but kind of ironed out and it seemed like everything was going to be all systems go. And then here at 7:10 ran into the same issues all over again. So let's get rolling on this and we'll run 10 minutes extra at the end to give you your money's worth. So today Tyler is running the camera.

Sam is behind the scenes, the great and powerful eyes, running everything else. And Jenny is over here waiting to do my bidding right at the drop of a hat or something. And even the dog is walking around here too. So let's roll with questions. RFA says, I'd like to make panels with a edge bevel that is one and a half inches wide.

Must I use a router bit that is three inches or is there another way to get a two inch bit to give me a one and a half inch hedge? I'd like to not use a three inch bit if possible. So let's, let's, let's do this. What you can do. Oops, sorry.

There we go. What you can do to get a little more squeeze out around a bit, a little more profile. So let's say we've got a little robinhood. Boop, boop, boop, boop. And it's got a ball-bearing on it.

So one of the things you might be able to do is if you have a fence on your outer table, which you should, you could take the ball bearing off and then use the fence to control the horizontal depth of cut. And when the bearing is off the edge of your material let's draw that without a bearing. Having this bearing off would let the edge of your material project past that. So what she would have to do is do cut under one, like this... and then you can move the fence back.

You'll have to adjust the height of the cutter and make another cut that would allow this angle to get further down the board as you climb up the bed as you use a higher part of the color with this corner projecting past where the bearing was. So... there are radically yes it's gotta be done on a router table because it's the fence then that has to control your position. So that should work. Richard says, do you consider plywood a more stable sheet good than melamine and MDF, when it comes to making cabinets.

When I see cabinets in box stores made for Melanie and Namibia, they look like they won't hold up over time. It was tiny. Part was good. Plywood probably is more durable than anything. So MDF and melamine are in the particle born family.

Chipboard... OSB is in the same family except OSB has huge like flakes the size of my hand in it. Particle board has particles in it. So from a strictly a durability perspective if you're going to make something that's going to get banged around I'd rather it be plywood than something in the particle board family. For kitchen cabinets, man I have built so many cabinets out of melamine including my shop cabinets.

I just don't see what's in there that's going to fail. Once, once they're hanging on the wall I dunno where that system would go south because all they're doing is hanging on the wall. Anything that's going to get handled a lot, you know, box you're going to put in the back of your pickup truck with tools in it. I would much rather that the plywood. Mark asks any reason to not use type on three for anything everything.

Dollars, money, I think is the most expensive of the original two and three. And it's because it's water proof. It's going to cover all your needs. It's just a more expensive product. But no if you want to, if you had to do every bit of your woodworking with three that's fine.

And speaking of Titebond by the way thanks to Titebond for sponsoring this and keeping this event live for you. Johnny asked, Any concerns when using a palm sander or orbital sander as to sanding with the grain. So... here's the deal. A bunch of years ago, a lot of years ago I did a tool test for American worker magazine.

I tested 26 random orbit sanders. Talked to a lot a lot of people about their use. And a lot of people said, Hey, Jenny, could you, nevermind I got these right here. So I've got in my hot little hands I've got a random orbit sander. So...

a lot of, including manufacturers recommended that the grade in this work bench top is going this way that I go with the grain, come back with the grain go up with the grain, comes back to the grain. Allowing each pass to overlap the previous pass by half the width of the pad. It's weird to me. So I appreciate the recommendation, but it's weird to me because the whole deal with the random orbit is it randomly orbiting is spinning but it is also oscillating. So I don't understand the difference between going with the grain and just going willy-nilly.

In all honesty in my woodworking, you know, probably 30% of the time. I remember that recommendation and I traveled with the grain the other 70% I go wherever the sander takes me. And I don't see any visual difference between work that I've sanded in one direction or work I've sanded willy-nilly. So I don't, I don't think it matters going with the grain or not. Scott says, I made a bench for the kiddos buss stop.

Very nice. After two years of setting out in Colorado I noticed the paint was coming off. I used Kilz latex, exterior water-based primer and a good exterior paint. Should I used a different material? Hm.

What did you make it out of? One of the things you gotta be careful with is if it was built on a treated lumber it takes about a year for all the stuff all the chemicals and treated lumber to completely be able to completely wick off of the lumber. So it can be frustrating. You know if you build a deck, out of treated wood and then you want to stain it or paint it or whatever you really gotta wait a long time for all of the stuff to wake out of it. So that would be my first thing, is....

if it was treated lumber and you painted it fast that may have caused it to peel. Whatever was made out of, it's gotta be really, really dry. If there's moisture trapped in the wood and you put paint on the surface that moisture will cause everything to flake off. Should I have used a different material? I don't know.

Cause you didn't tell me what material used. If you're still watching Scott let us know what material made it out. If you're using, you know cedar or conventional pine the procedure you followed is the same thing I would've done. It should've been fine. Thomas asks...

any opinion on a down shear flush trim versus a straight flush trim. So yeah, let's talk about, in fact We can show that this.... Jenny I would send you for Rodriguez but I don't know.... let me... let me go get Rodriguez so we know what we're talking about because I don't think I can send I don't think you know what I mean.

So... We got Edith the dog right here, And we're going to be showing you how to properly give your dog wooden armor. You know, when your dogs are getting in with dogs, you want to make sure that everyone is safe. They're not actually getting harmed. It's like a sparring match.

We're going to build our dog today. A wooden helmet. It's going to, it's going to be adorable. It's going to be functional. It's going to be aerodynamic.

They're going to go faster than you've ever seen before. If you tune in to the TMS engineering site they can teach you how to build rockets. All right. That's all for today. You didn't know you were going to get a bench dog out of this did you?

Edith can you tell her to relax please. please try to relax. Okay so I'm going to have you Tyler come in. not you personally. I'm going to set there and it's so sheer when you look at this router bit Are you there?

Yep. See how this carbide is not straight up and down. It's at a shear angle. So Router bits like this cost more than router bits that have carbine in them that's straight You can come back out now. But if you think back, you know some, at some point in your life, if you were taught to use a hand plant the teacher may have said, instead of just going straight with the plane, skew it, hold it just a little bit of an angle.

And then you get a sheer cuff. So the same is true with those router bits, when we have a router bit that's got a shear angle on it, It's going to give us a better surface finish than a router bit that has just got carbide straight up and down So Thomas, long answer to your question, my opinion shear versus straight is pay the extra money get the sheer of it. And you're going to get better cut quality on your work. Walt says, I found type on three doesn't set when gluing end grain The best glue is Titebond gel. Yeah gluing anything in general is tough, they've got a newer glue.

And when I'm doing anything with end grain this is the one I use now. It's called quick and thick. So doing anything with end grain this could be a lighter picture frame where of course on the miters for putting end grain together. It could be when I put a face frame together and I'm gluing the end grain of my rail to the lawn grain of my style. So this thick and quick I have found is a good choice for that because it's extra thing.

It's quite a bit to viscosity is quite a bit thicker than conventional glue. And as a result that doesn't soak into the end grain so much and you get a better bond. James Bond. Cindy says, I recently started working and looking for workspace. What's the smallest space I would need for building furniture.

Tiny I don't know. I did a lot of work at one point in what was barely a one-car garage. There was about, I don't know, 10 feet, maybe 10 feet wide maybe 20 feet deep, 200 square feet total. So that was a pretty small space, but it's I would just so you're looking for workspace. So yeah I would say that's not a bad place to start.

We did a big, there was a woodworking survey done a bunch of years ago and the average shop space in this country was like 225 square feet, 250 square feet. And if you think about it what that is was a single car garage 10 by 25. So that's pretty common. So somewhere in that neighborhood. A couple hundred square feet would be a good starting point.

Gary says, we're going to make a router table. Do you have any plans? And do you have any suggestions to make a great router table? One of my focuses will be on the dust collection well that sucks. Also after many years doing this I have a slew of router goods.

Good for you. So I need drawers. I don't have a router table plan. Suggestions, What I did with my router table here is I bought a commercially made top. I bought a commercial top, a commercial fence, and a router left.

And then I built the base cabinet. I'm with you on the drawer idea. I think having at least two drawers in there, not just for router but storage, but you've got router bit wrenches. You've got if you put in a router lift you've got the mechanism, the wrench for that, the Jack for that. So there's a lot of stuff to store.

So good idea on the router table on the drawers. Weight is good, not imperative but this would be a good place to use MDF or melamine because you've got some good mass there that just keep everything sitting still. Casters are a must for me. I put everything in my shop on casters. Dust collection, yeah I dunno.

So I still struggle with the fact that although I connect dust collection to my fence I still get a lot of stuff that falls into the area below which if you're in a cabinet that means you're filling the cabinet with dust. We just got... let's go this way. Tyler. Just got a brand new round table and we're going to come to this flag router Taylor maybe you can just shoot an orange slate.

So in the world of dust collection, let me face you when I'm talking to you. In the world of dust collection this is going to be my first experience with this which is router table dust collection in the fence. But then this box, when you're running the router you close this and there's a four inch dust port on the back. So you're actually picking up dust out of this space. And this might be something you want to consider.

Gary, there are companies that make these boxes after excuse me, after market that you can put on anybody's router table. And it makes a lot of sense to me because so much stuff ends up down here below the round. And like I said, even though, even though I run dust collection on the fence all the time a lot of stuff ends up down here. So we actually haven't run this yet. George just got this thing put together what George like three days ago.

So we haven't even made a cut with it yet. So I have no report on dust collection but we'll let you know as it goes but I consider adding one of those below the table boxes. David says, got a festival domino coming at a boy. When do you use a demo versus a mortis contented joint? Let's get her before she does something silly, like jump and break a leg.

And we're all going to be unhappy. I never cut Morrison 10 anymore. Now that I've got a domino. I really would say it's a one-to-one replacement with a mortar sometimes. It's you just go ahead and use the use the diamond on any place you would use a traditional Morrison time.

John is in Middleton, Ohio. Thomas is in Tacoma. David's in central Florida or finds out of Columbia. All right. Just keep scrolling here.

We got Arkansas, Houston, New Hampshire, got a lot of a widespread map today. I'm still scrolling there. Quite a lot of people are just saying hello. So I'm getting past that Oh All right. So a lot of people were saying they can't see it.

Sam, can you just put a message on there that tells people they need to refresh? And if they're on the Goa site, they need to refresh. If they're still not seeing anything. And then a couple of people have mentioned, they're watching on YouTube and a reminder that if you're watching on YouTube, I don't monitor the questions there. I look at them on goa.com.

So if you're on YouTube and you want to post the question you've got to go to www.goa.com, upper left-hand corner videos click that, drop down menu, www.goalive, Click that. This is October. You can push your question there. Eric says any thoughts on heating a shop in Western Washington on the coast where it is really humid but not that cold in the winter. I'm thinking a mini split heat pump.

Does that seem reasonable? You know, I'm not, I'm not familiar with these splits until I helped April with her shop in Texas. I had never heard of a split. So I actually don't know what that is. My thing is...

as much as possible. I want to avoid open flame when heating a shot. So in my old shop, the furnace was in the building and I had what was called a closed combustion natural gas furnace. So just like the name implies the combustion chamber was completely enclosed. So I didn't have to worry about fumes or dust or anything.

In this building, the furnaces up on the roof. So I, I'm not your best answer for this. I think that I would talk to a number of HVAC people, Eric and get a lot of opinions and maybe, you know, call a couple of other woodworking shops and ask them what they're using. Like I said, I just can't I'm not familiar with what the split is. I know people that have put them in, but I don't I don't know what the technology is.

Steve says recommended glue for lignum vitae. Lignum vitae is uber uber oily. So if you're going to glue it to something else I would first wipe it down with naphtha is a salvage you can get from a home center that'll get the oil off the surface and then oily wood like that, really your best choice would be... Can you, can you go? I think there's a Pollyanna type on polyurethane blue where all the glues are over the clamps.

There a polyurethane glue would be a good choice for that application. It's a, a dark, I think it's a black bottle. It'll say polyurethane thing right on the lip. I don't mean on the face. I think we went through this last time.

Not there. Alright. You'll have to trust me. So I think polyurethane glue would be a good choice for an oily surface that could tropical wood, but still even though you're using polyurethane glue, clean it first. David is in Coleman, Wisconsin.

I know it was kind of some pretty well I don't know where that is and keep up the great broadcast. Thank you, sir. John says, what do you consider the minimum hardware requirements to set up a shop? Yeah. Great question.

So one, if you go on Goa www.goa.com and upper right hand corner there's a search window and type in their starter tools. First tools, anything in that genre. And we've done quite a bit on this. I'm going to say you can't go wrong with a table saw because that's really the heart of the shot. A router table is really high on my list because you can use a router table as a jointer and a jointer is also high on my list.

So you get a lot of versatility out of a router table cause we can use it as a router table. You can take the router out, you use a handout we can use it as a jointer. So I would put that in like slot number two or three. I use my band saw a lot, but that's probably a little idiosyncratic to my woodworking but I also find them to be a real versatile tool. So I put that high on the list, but somewhere in there a good random orbit, sander, handheld router maybe a biscuit joiner.

So in the category of the part of the power tools, what am I missing there? Cordless drills. So that's, there's a starting point that I spent enough of your money for you. Gary says which town you would use more than 500 or the 700. I use the, so what the big one is the XL, right?

And the little one is not the XL. I use the littler one more cause I'm primarily work it in three quarter and one and a half inch. Now most of what I'm doing is joining a three quarter inch thick rail, one inch and a half thick like and doing that typically with a 10 millimeter domino and the small domino handle that. So it isn't until I get into bigger scale stuff where I'm joining like inch and a half material, then I go to the XL. It's good to look at what their capabilities are because I think the XL comes down in size further than the little one goes up in size.

In other words, I can use I think I can use the big one, some thinner stock like the littler one doesn't really help me on inch and a half stock because the tenants are that bit. So it'd be worth exploring that before you pull the trigger. But I in the end I used the there's a smaller, the the most. Williams had joined the cordless tool. Kevin you're good.

Glad you are. It's it's been fun so far. Preston asks, The size of my shop is 3,600 square feet total that's there's 3,200 square feet in this main part where we are now. And then there's a two car unheated attached garage which is primarily the material storage for me and or working on the children's cars radically. That's over here.

That's another 400 square feet. Can I talk, put a piece with Polly after applying what? Go finishing questions. If I don't a hundred percent know the answer I don't like to answer that. I'm not a hundred percent sure on this.

What I would do is look at whatever Polly you're going to. If you're going to buy, Minwax probably everything. Then I would go online and find a phone number for customer service for metal acts and say I'm going to put down laco danish oil. Can I apply poly over the top? If the answer is yes how long do I have to let it flash all I go I have to let the oil cure before the poly goes on.

Can I just water based poly or only oil based poly? I really prefer getting that one answered by the experts at a finishing company because I don't want to lead you down a Primrose path. Mike says hello from Wisconsin. Thanks for showing the Walnut table on Instagram. What would be a good spray paint for painting a project?

Don't have an LGB LP gun went to smooth brush free finish. So then I don't know what you mean. A good spray thing. So I'm spraying just conventional latex paint. You're my HVLP.

If you're talking about like a rattle can of paint. I dunno. I'm not real brand specific when I buy this I guess I guess walking into home Depot and probably primarily buying Rustoleum rattle cans of paint, but that's Uber subjective. So it's a good way to, it's a good way to get paint on so that you don't have to brush your teeth to end up with brush strokes. Just use a rattle cane instead of a brush if that's what you're making.

So I Rust-Oleum is just kind of accidentally the paint I buy the most any tricks for removing the paper on double-sided tape. Yeah. Don't play guitar because playing guitar means you have to keep your fingernails really short and then you can't pick the paper off of double faced tape. Yeah. I struggled with it because my fingernails are really short because I do play guitar but you can also use the utility knife, the sharp edge your utility knife to get it started.

And that helps a lot. It says in your videos that include using a pattern and a bandsaw, you saw to trace the pattern cut close to the wayside of the line. And then Sam's on the line. If you have a pattern, why wouldn't you reattach the pattern after cutting close and then yeah. So I usually do.

So I got, so the thing to keep in mind, Tim, is I depending on what you're looking at I shot about 130 woodworking DVDs. And one of the things I do try to do is show different approaches. So if somebody who doesn't own a router bit, or a fluster router bit, and alternative approach, here's here's what I think your guy was probably thinking is that for somebody who doesn't own a set up that allows them to flush trim, you can trace the pattern, cut it, close. Santa's lie, but you're right. 99.9% of my time, I'm gonna, I'm going to cut close to the line and then use the pattern to flush the truck.

That's that is the way to go. As far as I'm concerned want to build an outdoor patio bench do it on the economical side. What do you recommend for a lumber? I'm in Los Angeles and we see a lot of sun, but not much rain. Well you could do, you can do outdoor furniture in pine just, paint it.

Recommend how to finish it? So yeah. Good. A good paint. And this is a place where, you know home centers are good specialty stores like Sherwin Williams.

I know there are others out there, but I'm just in my area like primarily use Sherwin Williams to walk in there and say, okay, here's the deal. I am going to build this patio bench. I'm going to build it out of pine. I want to paint it. Or I want to stay in the top coat.

It probably wanna. And what's nice about that is if then if they're in your area, they know your weather conditions so well and they're gonna be able to give you a really really good advice. However, paint would be a good choice if you want it to look like wood when you're done stain it. And then some form of polyurethane. If you want it to be uber durable under finish Spare varnish is a very durable polyurethane designed to be outside it's what's used on boats.

So it's really, really, really, really durable spar. S P A R spar Craig says, my wife wants me to assemble a mountain dulcimer kit. What glue would you recommend? My guitar kits? I've always been putting them together with yellow glue.

And I know I'm, I'm breaking a few Luther rules there. Hide blue would be the super traditional glue for putting instruments together. And the reason for that is if something ever goes wrong with the instrument and you need to take it apart you can very easily reverse hide with heat and steam. So yellow glue is very tough to reverse. I, I think I did fine.

Like I, I guess with the the guitar pits I've made and I've made dozens I've never had to take them back apart. So I've been maybe just lucky that way but I'd call it kit company and see what they say. But if it were me, I'd probably just the thing with high blue is the tack time is slow and some of them just didn't patient. And that's the primary reason I stick with yellow blue for my guitars. Eric, if you're still watching David is providing a little bit of answer for you here on your mini split.

Oh, you've already seen it... he says, what do you think about applying glue to end grain waiting about five minutes and then applied to it to both parts of the joint? Yeah, that's a good basically what you're doing there. It's called sizing the wood. You're using the glue as a sealer and brushing that onto the under end first in first and then going back and doing your gluing.

So that's, that's not a bad idea. And I got to think a second. I think it's actually, I think if you're going to do that, they actually recommend that you dilute the first coat glue about 50% before you brush it up. But I would Google that information or I would give type on the call and ask them but I'm pretty sure that for the sizing step, you you dilute the glue by and then use the need to use a full strength for the regular glue. Bob says, Sandy, you see this five is saying there's something wrong with the Goa site.

Let me look here for a second. Cause I'm on it. That's where I'm seeing your questions. It's loading. Yeah, it's playing.

So I think I just refresh my page button and everything was smart forever. So you maybe need to just refresh it. Justin says, how much CNC work are you doing for patterns and our parts. We're running the CMCs a fair bit in here. We've got some stuff, jot down a little bit of stuff, job out, other people that we're doing.

So I don't know in my 80 hour week, what percentage George, are we running the CNC? George works for me. Probably.... You think that that high? Where you're only here two days a week.

So when George is here, he's my CNC theater. So, you know, when he's here, it's it's 70% of the time because I rely on him. He's, he's gotten really, really good at running the machines, big picture and the net week it's it's probably 20% of what happens in the shop. Greg's got a tip here for ya. The double face tape after stripping bark off some Walnut I found places where woodworms were in the outer sapwood layer.

Any suggestions on how to make sure all these worms are removed or killed winter rolls with a heat gun but not sure if that cuts them off. Well, I don't know. I, that's a great question for what's a bug person and technologists, is that right? Jenny's kind of a bug person. Do you have an answer for this?

How could somebody for sure make sure that their material is completely bug free before they're going to work with it. If they no longer crawl out is basically her answer. You know, I, I think when stuff gets, I think when stuff gets, killed dry, that's part of the answer is the heat in there is killing it. But I, I using it at home basis. I dunno I would call, I I'd see if like a university in your area has an entomology department or somebody that you could talk to, to get solutions for this.

So you're not necessarily just whatever spraying with insecticide or hitting all the holes with a heat gun or what you look like Set it on fire. Best way to attach paper back veneer to plywood. If it's not a huge surface, I would do that with just yellow and blue, not a huge surface because you don't want the glue to get away from you. You've got to watch the tack time, but yeah yellow glue would be fine for that application. Conventional like if we're in a Titebond family type on original would do that.

Larry Jones says bought an old 12 inch car MADEC planner. Cuts great need info, changing the blades and setting them. Can you recommend where to get info? So I would jump on, I would jump online Google and put in power MADEC planner model number owner's manual. It's amazing.

Like I really know where this stuff comes from but I've got a simplicity, snow thrower. That's like almost older than me. Works great. And I was able to find an owner's manual for online. Same with an old little Toro smell Lord.

So yeah, I would just Google that bottle number and owner's manual and see what you can find. What's the best technique for making dovetails? Huge it depends. If you want to buy a jig, it's hard to be the ease. Once you get the hang of it, of cotton ducktails with a Rotter based off tail jig that's probably my go-to that being said when I taught and two older came in Africa and I handled they're not handcuffed, dovetails.

And I finally got that to work. There is, there is something so cool about hand cutting and joint. And when it snaps together and it fits all my gosh, was that crazy rewarded? That's amazing. So there isn't really, there isn't really one good answer to this because it just depends on what you what direction you want to go with your winter cake.

I, I can cut through dovetails on my bandsaw. That's another approach. So there there's a lot of different ways you got to just think about what what direction you want to go with your whatever. Greg says Eddie wireman size of your joint can cause excessive swelling. Yeah, that's true.

I think if we're on end grain I don't think it would be an issue. Cause I don't think we'd get swelling out the end grain. And that's probably the only place that I would actually size the joint is the ingrained but it'd be worth experimenting. Gary says F C G O as the most safety conscious videos compared to others I've seen. Oh, well thanks.

Yeah. And is that teacher training? You know, I, I wanted to be a shop teacher when I grew up. So boy, did that get pounded into me in college? The stuff about just always erring on the side of being a safety conscious as possible.

Charles says I'm in the process of building a four by eight mobile workbench. In your opinion, what would you say is the most important addition to the bench? Well, I dunno. So this this bench here Charles is a four by eight bench. It's, it's pretty mobile.

I've got it on the, if you it on the Rockefeller benchtop casters or workbench casters and I I'm beyond their weight limit, I think it's I think 400 pounds is the weight limit for that Castro set, but they're, they're still working. So I don't know, you know, a tour around this thing. I don't think it's got one most important thing cause I love it. All this side is all drawers and they're graduated from small to larger. So that depending on what I want to store on him putting drawers here was great because it let me eliminate some of my wall cabinets and it keeps stuff handier.

Cause I'm working at the bench two vices because it's handy to have a vice where I can work crossways on the bench and long ways on the bench. So that's a long ways. One that's the crossways one. So I think you could start with one vice and then see how your work goes from there. These Rottler T tracks I put in the surface I love the they're capable of accepting a lot of different stuff.

That's only one thing, I guess everything else is in another drawer. So the t tracks have been really, really helpful for me with hold downs, hold sideways. There are stops, but it'll also fit in there. So when I'm sanding, I can lock that in place. I can use that as a backstop.

This step is actually a credit product. And so the T tracks have been wonderful, for the dog halls I intentionally went with three quarter in dog halls because the other device I really really love, Is this product. This is a Bessie product. It goes into the quarter inch toggle. And then...

Does that? So that whole down very, very rock solid very fast or easy to use. And then And on the other side of my bench and laboriously spin it around on this side, then I've got open shelves and that's where I've got my daily use part of the power tools and that kind of stuff. So I don't, I don't think I've got a I don't think I've got any one. You must have this kind of thing but those cumulatively make for a pretty good benchmark.

Chris says to kill the bugs put the pieces in a black trash garden bag closer seal and place it in the sun. There you go. You're making a, you're making a kill basically. Right? You're raising the heat inside that bag and that's going to kill the bugs.

That's good. Clustering says rocker has a 90 degree angle bracket. Oh yeah. It's here. Hey George, could you look by the Shopbop CNC?

And I think it's silver. It's a Rockler product. It might be in the drawer where other router bits are. I got it with the intention of trying it as a a location device on the CNC? Yeah.

And I haven't experimented with it yet. But this is the other thing with that T-track that is a relatively new product from Rockford. So that can slide in and then lock us in at 90 degrees. So providing an inside corner that you could bear stuff up against, you know, imagine if I'm assembling a face ring and I get a coroner in here and then I can have a Craig hold on. Plan also here.

And this... Blue, squish that down to the bash. What a great way to put it. Sam says, could you tell us the process for drilling the dog balls in your work bench? It was very boring.

Here's what I did. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what not to do on a work bench that I built about 10 years ago. I thought I own a plunger out here and I own a three-quarter inch router bed. So what I did was on the drill press. I drew a pattern with a series of holes in it just kind of like this in plywood.

And then in my plunge router I put a guide bushing that was like one inch diameter. So my idea was I basically this is a port of drill press, right? I'm going to put the guide bushing in the hole of the plywood and I'm going to plunge and get these that are then perfectly perpendicular to the surface. The problem is the bench is so thick. This bench is two inches thick.

That bench was about the same that if that thing wanders at all it very quickly elongates the hole. And it just, the whole thing went really bad, really fast. It's not, it was nowhere near the cool great way to make holes like that. I thought so on this bench what I did is... I took a piece of hardwood and I think I had, well, I think it was about it was about an inch and a half thick maple.

Like those, I took this to the drill press made sure the drill press was set perfectly square. And I drilled a three-quarter inch hole in this piece. Part of the key to this, I think firmly is using a bread point drill bit coming right back. It's using a bread point drill that because they tend to see George. Have a good weekend.

So brad point drill bit, it's got a distinct center point. So we had the drill press by drill this hole which is now perfectly perpendicular to these spaces. I take this to my work bench and on the work bench I've laid out those hole locations. So I allow this to project through that hole until that point is on the whole location. Then I clamped this to the workbench.

So what I did is I made a drill guide. So then just using a handheld drill, I can follow this drill the hole in the workbench and it ends up perfectly perpendicular. And on this bench I have I don't know a lot of holes, 30 holes. I think I used three guide blocks. So in other words, just for me holding a drill I maybe get it a little bit hippocampus and I start to wear the size of that drill guide.

So it's going to take more than one of these to drill a lot of holes, but that worked really well. Got the holes nice and perpendicular to the face which is important for the dogs and was way better than that. Plunge router experiment. Thomas says he heard crickets like heard crickets. Cause it got really quiet.

You're saying as an expression or literally heard crickets. Cause we do have crickets in the show. Greg says you decay power system makes really accurate drillings makes a festival style. Right? I can look that up.

Hey, could you or Jamie, could you run? Get that ball off the standing table there. I'm gonna show him we're going to do show and tell because this was kind of cool. This was yesterday's woodworking. It will be so funny.

So I turned this yesterday and people who watch my Instagram are not allowed to guess what, what is this? Cause I showed this on Instagram yesterday and I started what kind of way it is. So extra bonus points. If you know what kind of wood this is, it's very heavy. It's very dense.

It's closed crane. It's beautiful in color, dark Heartwood yellow sapwood is primarily in the Southwest part of the country. It also, in addition to getting used for woodworking you might use it if you're making a steak. So this is Mesquite and this is the first time I've ever worked with it. And oh my gosh, I'm thrilled.

I am so happy with the material. It's crazy dense. It's, it's unbelievably heavy. It turns like a dream because it's so close grain. That being said Mesquite has a propensity to be just a little bit chippy.

So have to keep your lave chisels very sharp. It's also a very hardwood. So I did probably 80% of this turning I did with carbide tip chisels. And then the rest I did with high-speed steel bull gouges and frequent, fairly frequent sharpening on those high-speed steel bowl guys. So it's a hollow vessel, which means it's under cut here.

It's under cut here on the top quite a ways as far as I could reach with a chisel but I just love the look of this. And I've actually got a second piece of Mesquite waiting for me to get to. And I just, I can't wait to hit it on the Lake. It was really a blast to work with. David got it!

Where's my mouse? Randy says kind of 14, 12 Laguna bandsaw and eight quarter cherry oak and hard maple per scroll saw projects. What do you recommend for blade with and TPI for the best cuts. I use... So I'm assuming you're on kiln drying wood.

I use a half inch, four tooth per inch timber wolf blade for that. And if you, the, the people that at PS wood which is just pswood.com, they are so knowledgeable. They're the they're the ones who distribute timber wolf plates. If you call them and say, here's my saw here's exactly what I'm doing. They're going to give you a bulletproof....

They're going to give you a Bulletproof recommendation for blades. So I'm pretty confident that they're going to tell you half inch, 14 per inch, however it's worth a phone call just to double check that. And I think you'll be good. Do you follow her says pros and cons of Harbor freight clamps. You know what to say?

Because I don't, I don't know because I don't own any, I don't know any Harbor. I think my only Harbor freight product is an electric welder. It's all their feed Wilder. Cause that's Chicago. Electric is the same, right?

Is that true? I don't own any of their clamps. So I don't know. Carlos says on the subject of turning is there any difference between a spindle and roughing gouge other than the sharpening profile and a great Mesquite bowl. Thank you for the compliment.

A difference between spindle and roughing gouge. Well, they, they look way different. So let me go get one. You guys stay where you are. Okay.

There a spindle gouge. There's a spindle gouge. There's a spindle gouge, that my friend is a roughing gouge. So much more deeply fluted. Now don't confuse a deep fluted spindle roughing couch, this with a deep fluted bowl gouge.

They're not interchangeable. So big difference in how they look. This rough-in guys. You mean one by virtue of its size. Let me grab a smaller Okay you're going to have to trust me by virtue of its size.

It's gonna remove wood. This is going to take wood off. This roughing gouge is going to take wood off a lot faster than that spindle guide. I also find I can get a truer cylinder so less fewer high and low spots with the roughing gouge. Cause that you're actually using my messing you up here.

You're using this part of the gouge with basically holding it on its side. But so that allows you to get a good true cylinder out of that. Where of course with a conventional gouge are probably rounded on the end. So it's harder to get a true cylinder out of that. So I'm in a rough with this get as far as I can and then detail with the, what did the question again and see if I actually answered it.

Where's the mouse? A difference between a spindle and a roughing gouge other than the sharpening profile. Okay. So we talked about that. Chris says, what do you recommend for the thickness of maple edge banding around a 42 inch radius table?

Ooh, experiment, 42 inch diameter. I bet you could do.... Three thirty seconds. Maybe an eighth... I'm going to guess not much more than that.

42 inch diameter. Yeah. I think it's going to be fairly easy to bend but you're, you're going to have to just experiment and see what you can get away with without without it going south on it. But I, I bet. I bet you could do an eighth inch.

I'll see if I can show you something cool here to wrap up. Okay. And Carlos says, how about a bowl gouge? Let me run and get a bowl. Got to they're a little bit different.

So there's the gouge, spindle gouge. Rough. It goes, do not try to share on a bowl with your spindle gouges. You could use a bowl gouge on a spindle. It's not very practical, but you could get away with it but you can't use spindle gouges.

It's that deep flute and the tip profile or what let us get away with it. Let me talk about the banding a little bit. Cause when I did, I flipped solid wood banding on a guitar and her binder in order to make that work I had to bend it more than it wanted to bend. So this might help you with what you're looking for. This is hot pipe bending is what this is called.

Let me get stuff. So here's how this works. Two inch governance pipe, 12 inches lawn on a flange. Flange is screwed to this plywood. Gizmo the plywood gizmo is such that my propane tank can go here but I got to put a different head on the tank.

So it's designed actually for those set up but I need that one stupidly. I need that one to light this one. If I reconfigure this, I mean, this looks crazy. If I reconfigured this, this could go in here but it just happened to get it built for this. What's going to happen is the pipe is going to get really, really hot.

And then let's see, Jenny, could you go in the under the sink in the break room? There's a spritzy thing, a water. And we'll see if we can get a, we can get this hot and now we'll see if we can get a plate or a piece of wood. And then I made a rip, a piece of hardwood. This is Pash.

That might be a good example. So piece of ash apparently wants to bend Yeah, I don't know if we'll get the heat out of this that we want in the time that we have left what happens is when this is hot enough, get the wood wet and in the perfect world, you soak this piece overnight in water. So I've actually got a piece of PVC, four inch PVC pipe. That's very long. There's a cap on one end of it.

That's glued on the cap. On the other end I can remove so I can fill that with water and then I can stand banding or binding up in it, spritz in an area like I just did. This is how I did the guitars. The bind me for the guitars is I only spritz the area I wanted to bend All right, its getting there. All right so this doesn't doesn't want to bend but then you work it over that hot pipe.

With your fall off the table And just keep Giving it a little bit of down pressure. Make sure it stays wet. This is a race that goes to the slow and steady not the sweat, because if I forced this, of course I'm just going to break the Ash. But what'll happen here. Over time is as the heat starts to take effect this piece will start to bend.

And it's amazing when it works correctly because you can you can feel it in your hands. It's like, it's like heating up a piece of steel to a point where it's red hot and then bending it in a vice. This is a really really cool thing to know about in super low tech. I mean, it's such an easy way to bend a chunk of wood. All right.

This was like, this fun is watching paint dry at this point but you got the point. So over time as this gets hot enough I confident that this quarter inch piece of Ash I could bend into a, a pretty consistent U shape. I can feel it. I can feel it starting to relax in my hands right now. And so if I just kept working this there, it's got it's already got a little bit of a bowl just by siting down and I can see what's going on.

So then it's just more of the same. I'm going to go back and look and see if there are any more questions from you folks. And then we're going to end our hour. Yeah, that's the premise. It's very hot.

Okay. A couple of questions came in. Greg says, make an assembly tables using part. Okay.... What size pedestal for a 38 inch by 54 inch oval bladder.

No 38 by 54. I don't know. I'd have to, I'd have to get in SketchUp and mess with a drawing. I'm not, I'm not sure on that one. Sorry, Chris.

Randy... what is S two S selector better about for a dollar, a board foot. Good for you. Tim says, does Matt burn too hot to use for pipe bending? I don't think so.

I've never used it but I'm assuming you can just close the valve a little bit. If you know, if it's, if it's scorching the wood instead of giving you the opportunity to make it malleable close the valve a little bit. So you can try it and see them. I've always done it with the propane. So I'm not sure.

All right, folks. Well that wraps us up now. Here's I want to mention a couple of things once again. Thanks to typo too. Thanks to Sam Tyler and Jenny for being behind the scenes a month from now, the second Thursday in November, this is going to be really cool.

I'm going to be broadcasting not from this shop from Matt kimonos shop. If you're not familiar with Matt's work, you should be. He's a good hand tool guy. He's a great launch to lumber guy. Everything he builds in his shop.

He builds from lumber that he cuts. He dries, he uses, he built his own bandsaw mill. He built a trailer that he can haul logs on. So we're going to be live from his shop that Thursday. I can't remember the date.

Second Thursday of November. We're going to be live from Matt's shop. So be sure and check us out. Other than that, we are done for today. Thanks for tuning in and we'll see ya next time.

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