Comments on: Measuring Wood Glue Assembly Time https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/ Mon, 21 Aug 2023 01:36:56 +0000 hourly 1 By: Larry Schweitzer https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-3749564 Thu, 26 Apr 2018 19:57:51 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-3749564 I’ve also done various glue tests based on what we normally use. Our go to here is original Titebond. Second most commonly used is Franklin’s melamine glue for use when one side is not absorbent. Disadvantage is long cure times. All the PVA glues suffer from creep issues to one level or another. For most uses it doesn’t matter. On the other hand it gives a little bit of leeway in cross grain gluing but not much. One of my tests was to see if the old wives tale about excessive clamping presser “starving the joint.” was true. I did everything I could think of wrong, on purpose. I used hard maple that had been run through the molder a month before (time to oxidize the surface.) My samples were about 3″ square and immediately pressed in a 20 ton hydraulic press to full pressure as fast as the machine would go. used 1″ thick steel plates to even out the forces. Next day I put a relief cut on the end grain at the glue line so I could be sure all the force was concentrated there. Then used the press and a steel wedge until the samples broke. In every case the wood broke, not at the glue line. Glue was Titebond original. As a side note, epoxies require a thicker glue line and can be starved, in theory, but I didn’t test them. Rarely used here. Open times probably vary a lot more because so much depends on having “wetting.”

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By: Sam Sherrill https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-2638943 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:02:59 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-2638943 Thank you for the comparisons by open time. I live in Tucson, Az where the humidity is low to very low (except during the monsoons) and the open time on T3 is well under 10 minutes making glue-up with multiple clamps and cauls a stressful job (confession: for me, glue-up is the worst part of woodworking — glue is a lubricant until it becomes an adhesive). Based on your experiment I am going to try Elmers. Here in Tucson I should get about 20 minutes open-time which will give me more time to apply clamps and cauls. Thanks again.

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By: paul mayer https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17101 Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:27:00 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-17101 In reply to Steven Akers.

Thanks, Steven. Interesting. Glad to hear that this type of force gauge is considered to be reasonably accurate in the professional world. The main reason that I chose this one was because of what you mentioned; no batteries to charge or swap out. This tool probably won’t get tons of use in my shop other than an occasional tool test where it might make sense, so I’d hate to open up the case when I do need it and find it destroyed by battery acid.

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By: Steven Akers https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17097 Sat, 07 Feb 2015 01:10:00 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-17097 In reply to paul mayer.

Sure. I hang test weights from the hook. We have a fixture to hold the force gauge and a hanger that weighs 0.5 lbs. So I just add weights to the hanger and read the scale. Most of ours are scaled to read newtons so there is a little conversion. This type gauge is amazingly accurate for a spring type gauge. We have digital ones as well but I like these. No battery to charge.

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By: paul mayer https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17085 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:06:00 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-17085 In reply to Steven Akers.

Good eye, Steven! Yes, that is in fact a calibration sticker on my force gauge. Can you describe the process that you use to calibrate these devices?

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By: paul mayer https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17084 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:03:00 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-17084 In reply to Steven Akers.

Hi Steven, Great question! All of the products that I used in this test with the exception of the Tightbond Hide Glue fall under the general category of polyvinyl acetate (PVA) glues. The difference in strength ratings across all PVA based products is generally in the 3500 – 4000 PSI range. Tightbond Liquid Hide, while a completely different animal in nearly all respects, coincidentally is also rated in the same strength range as the PVA glues at roughly 3600 PSI terms. In practical terms, this means that in all cases these glues are stronger than the wood itself when good building practice is followed and sound, gap-free joints are formed on long grain applications. In my own simple non-scientific test, I verified this by using a hammer to fracture joints made with each glue type after allowing each joint to cure overnight. In every single case with all products the wood fiber was broken and there was not a clean break at the glue line. Although my strength test was non-scientific, overly simplistic, and not inclusive of enough data points to be statistically significant, it serves as enough validation in my mind that within this product group I will make a glue selection for a given project based upon other factors such as open time, water resistance requirements, heat resistance, repairability, FDA approval, sandability, and whatever other attributes are important for that particular project.

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By: Steven Akers https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17082 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:45:00 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-17082 As far as strength goes is there any difference in Titebond 1 and Elmers yellow? Or Elmers yellow and Elmers white? I like their extended times.

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By: Steven Akers https://www.wwgoa.com/post/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17081 Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:42:00 +0000 http://www.wwgoa.com/?p=7018#comment-17081 Is that a calibration sticker I see? I calibrate a lot of force gauges working for an auto maker.

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