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    oldfolks

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    Allow me to introduce myself. My name is John Duck, I am a 65 year old man trying to learn woodworking. I am learning by trial and error since there is no place any where near me to take classes and no body near me does wood working.

    Like George tells, I touched my table saw blade and now I am afraid to use my saw.

    I do not have a jointer and I have been told in woodworking you must start with flat and true lumber.
    we can start from there and build a foundation that I can build on.
    Thanks
    John (oldfolks)

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    George P.

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    You didn't mention how you got nipped or perhaps somebody could offer specific advice.
    Do not be afraid of that saw.
    Be Respectful of and toward it at all times.
    Watch out especially for kickback....where the piece you're sawing OR the cut off will come flying at you like a rocket ship...most likely due to a bind somewhere.
    Check that saws' fence for square/parellel to the blade.
    Initial projects:
    Pick SOMETHING....ANYTHING....build something for your (developing) shop.
    Use either dimension lumber (1x or 2x)...it's cheap learning & comes to you S4S...no jointer or planer required....and using it WILL show you why their valuable to have available.
    Next step up when your piece is gonna go in the house is to pick from the wide array od S4S hardwoods that are available in the big box stores...oak & maple would be considered stain grade....poplar or #2 pine might be considered paint grade.
    good luck & make sure it's fun & fulfilling.....

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    oldfolks

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    George,
    I was using a no name saw without a splitter or kickback paws, or fence. I was using a 2x2 as a fence. The board I was ripping started to raise after the blade, I reached over the blade to hold the board down and my reach was short and I touched the spinning blade.

    I have a new 10 inch left tilt contractors saw with a Delta T 2 fence. I am afraid of kick backs, with the T 2 fence how do I use hold downs ? Oh, I have a M-J splitter installed.

    There is a hard wood mill cloe to me where I can get scrps free but they really need to be jointed before using. But I don't have a jointer and cannot afford to buy one. Can you point me to a video on jointing without a jointer ?

    My main interest is learning how to make small boxes.

    Thanks
    John (oldfolks)

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    Yonak

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    John, there are all sorts of ways to woodworking without power tools. Power tools have only been around, outside of industrial settings, for fewer than 100 years. Think about how they used to work wood before power, and still do all around the world. There are myriad and various books and videos on the subject.

    A practiced woodworker with a good hand plane and a workbench can make a very respectable flat surface, if that's where you feel you need to start. Also, there is turning and carving, neither of which require a flat surface. Many sophisticated woodworkers consider it a badge of honor to have produced a work of art .. of fine wood craftsmanship without "cheating" through the use of power tools. Then there are some who make limited use of power tools, such as Dremels or lathes. There are infinite possibilities.

    ..And as an added plus .. hand tools are usually much cheaper to buy that power tools. The main thing is : have fun.

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    oldfolks

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    George,
    Hand tools are terrific in the hands of craftsman. I will stay with my power tools. I know for sure I need to develope a solid fountation and build my skills from there.

    I am using You Tube to look for videos on how to properly set up for the different cuts on a table saw. I haven't found any to date. A lot are on table saw saftey and push sticks of all kinds, nothing specific an how to set the saw up for the different cuts.

    Thank you
    John (oldfolks)

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    Yonak

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    Most operations have a name or, at least, a concise description. It seems to me the thing is to determine what it's called. If you can describe what you want to do I'm sure someone on this forum would be able to guide you toward finding a resource.

    Good luck.

    - Yonak

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    Rion M.

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    I can suggest a couple of options for you, but first, I hope you realize what you did wrong in the first place: 1) the splitter and pawls prevent kickbacks, 2) the 'fence' (a board) has to be as absolutely parallel to the blade as possible (within .003" of an inch) otherwise it could be the reason for any kickback and any possible subsequent injury. Realize that the blade is turning about 3000rpm TOWARD YOU. If a piece of wood is being cut and forced into the blade by the fence, the back of the blade will pick up the piece and hurl it towards you at about 100mph. Even if you are standing to one side, anybody behind you can be in danger. Please use your new table saw safely (and wisely).

    Anywho, back to your original question, George has produced several DVDs that can help you immensely. The 3 that I have are:
    1) "Table Saw Tips & Techniques"
    2) "Advanced Table Saw Techniques"
    3) "Tool Set-Up & Maintenance" - (Table Saw)

    In addition, Googling for "Table Saw Techniques" gets many hits worth looking at which includes a few YouTube hits.

    BTW, I'm relatively new to woodworking myself (<6 years) and enjoy building small boxes, also.

    Something to try as a first exercise is to learn joinery. Building drawers and shelving for your work area would be a great way to learn and practice joinery as well as getting comfortable with your table saw. When I first started learning to use the saw, I would practice the movement of feeding the material through the saw (WITH POWER OFF & blade lowered) and try to see if something unanticipated might occur such as getting your hands/fingers to close to the blade. I found the use of the Gripper helps with the cutting. Something like that might be worth considering - I believe they have a video on their website.

    Good luck.

    --- Rion

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    oldfolks

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    I'd like to thank everyone for their in put on my post. I'd like to start fresh and handle one question at a time....

    I have a Delta 10 inch left tilt contractors table saw with a T-2 fence. I have been told it is a good fence but the one drawback is it is a floating fence. What kind of hold downs can I use with it ?

    Thank you

    John

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    George Vondriska

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    John

    If you can provide your mailing address we'll send you a complimentary copy of the Tablesaw Techniques DVD. The table saw is so critical to a woodworking shop, I really would like you to be both comfortable and safe with the machine.

    You can email to me at

    GeorgeV@wwgoa.com

    G

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    oldfolks

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    George,
    I sent you my email address. Thank you for your kind offer.

    John

    # Posted 7 months ago
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    lineflyer

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    I just got a new workbench and it has two square bench dogs with it. When you turn them so they can be used with a vise they stick above the bench about 1 1/8". If you are using a plane its going to hit the bench dog . Never having a decated workbench before I didn't know if this is the norm?

    Any feedback welcome.

    # Posted 2 months ago
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    okie

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    John, I strongly believe your approach to learning by doing is not the way to go. You need some instruction to keep from wasting wood, or worse, hurting yourself. I took woodworking in junior high and learned enough to keep all my fingers. Most of what I have learned has been from reading ww magazines or watching the numerous PBS shows. Norm Abrams taught me more than any other source. Still, I have burned more wood than I care to calculate as a result of teaching myself through trial and error.

    I would not take advise you use the rough local oak for your projects. It's not really very user friendly, especially without power tools. Trying to take out the bows, twists, and cups from sawmill lumber isn't going to be very rewarding. Buy what you need at Lowe's or the like. Buy the cheapest grade of pine and make the same project over and over. Choose something useful so you can give them away. Doing the same thing over and over will help you learn from your mistakes.

    You can no doubt find DVD's of Norm's, Scott Phillips's, or Tommy McDonald's lessons. Start with a simple project like a step stool. When you buy tools, buy the very best you can afford. Cheap tools aren't going to help you learn. Since you are unfamiliar with hand tools, I wouldn't buy at a flea market.

    The best thing you could do is find a woodworking school that gives weekend classes. A couple of nights in a hotel and some meals is going to be worth some hands on instruction by someone who already made the mistakes. It is very frustrating to ruin a piece of wood because you didn't know how to cut, plane, or join it.

    Get help, John! Doing things like using a 2x4 for a fence is just asking for an accident.

    # Posted 2 months ago

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